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Bank CEO backs brokers and remuneration structure

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The Adviser

The CEO of a non-major bank has told the financial services royal commission that brokers provide “genuine competition” and that a fee-for-service model “doesn’t sound as attractive as the current structure”.

Nicholas Moore, the outgoing CEO of Macquarie Group (who will be replaced by Shemara Wikramanayake following his retirement next week), was called to answer questions relating to the nature of Macquarie’s business, an enforceable undertaking relating to the Macquarie Equities advice business, grandfathered commissions in advice and its relation to mortgage brokers and thoughts on broker remuneration.

Mr Moore reiterated that competition in the finance industry has helped drive down interest rates by 2.5 per cent and that this competition could not have occurred without the broker distribution channel, on whom Macquarie depends. Just 10 per cent of its total mortgage volume is originated through its branch network.

The commission asked Mr Moore: “What is the concern that Macquarie has about how changing commissions might affect the ability of mortgage brokers to provide that service to the non-major lenders?”

 
 

The CEO said that it was a “good question” and that it was “dealing a little bit about potential regulation we don’t know the shape of [yet]”.

He continued: “[O]ur general point is one of caution to say there can be unintended consequences of regulation. We are dependent upon this broker network for our business. And we think, having regard to history, that the broker network does provide genuine competition, and that genuine competition has reduced the cost for all mortgages.

“So our nervousness would be regulation could severely hamper that broker business, and so we’re providing a note of caution in terms of any thoughts about changing the regulatory structure that people think broadly about what the implications may be.”

Picking up its theme on the potential ramifications of changing broker remuneration, the commission asked the Macquarie CEO what his perspective was on the ability to pay broker commissions and the impact of fees for service.

Mr Hodge asked: “[W]hat do you think would be the consequence if Macquarie was prohibited from being able to pay mortgage brokers any commission or, in fact, make any payment to brokers — and the brokers were only able to obtain remuneration by charging a fee for service to the customer?”

The non-major bank CEO said that he “did not know” and that it would be “speculating”, but added: “[S]uperficially, it would not be... it doesnt sound as attractive as the current structure. But, you know, Im guessing here.”

Commissioner Kenneth Hayne then asked the CEO to elaborate on his response, asking: “Attractive to whom?”

Mr Moore responded: “I think the expression used is the stick of shock of actually seeing the upfront fee. One of the other issues discussed is whether the fee should be upfront or over the life. And our position is we would like it, coming back to the alignment point, to reflect the value being delivered which is over the life of the loan.

“So there is an issue, obviously, for — if you have an offer without a broking fee versus [one] with a broking fee — that makes a difference in the mind of the consumer. Economically, of course, the fee is being borne.” (Macquarie has already committed to changing its broker remuneration model from 1 December, following on from recommendations from the ASIC and Sedgwick reviews, which were backed by the Combined Industry Forum package of reforms.) 

Touching on potential channel conflict, the royal commission asked the Macquarie CEO whether banks offer a lower interest rate through the mortgage broker distribution channel compared to their own origination channel.

He elaborated: “That is, over time you would expect that whatever rate they’re offering, whatever any individual bank is offering, is going to be the same whichever channel it comes through. Do you agree with that?”

Mr Moore said that he believed that the proprietary channel would “have to meet the market”, adding that “the broker will be sourcing offers, and if banks arent meeting the market, they will not be receiving the business”.

“So its very simple; in our circumstance, we need to meet the market if we are to do the business.”

Mr Moore added that part of the broker’s role is “to be bringing to light the different offers, which change”.

He continued: “And its offers not just in terms of price but terms and conditions, as we know with long-term commitments are often even more important. And showing people the way through these situations. And its not just the upfront price but all the other circumstances around it — is an important function.”

Mr Moore concluded: “So, I see the broker providing a market role in terms of being able to provide the different offers to the client base.”

[Related: RC suggests it is considering recommendation to ban trail]

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Annie Kane is the managing editor of Momentum's mortgage broking title, The Adviser.

As well as leading the editorial strategy, Annie writes news and features about the Australian broking industry, the mortgage market, financial regulation, fintechs and the wider lending landscape.

She is also the host of the Elite Broker, New Broker, Mortgage & Finance Leader, Women in Finance and In Focus podcasts and The Adviser Live webcasts. 

Annie regularly emcees industry events and awards, such as the Better Business Summit, the Women in Finance Summit as well as other industry events.

Prior to joining The Adviser in 2016, Annie wrote for The Guardian Australia and had a speciality in sustainability.

She has also had her work published in several leading consumer titles, including Elle (Australia) magazine, BBC Music, BBC History and Homes & Antiques magazines.  

Comments (28)

  • Just after the GFC the major banks and second tier banks halved upfront commissions, this didn't last long as the number of loans written dropped to circa 30% (now +50%). Clearly this played into the hands of the 4 majors and competition suffered.
    Commission is not a dirty word, it's just an other method of being paid. Ongoing commissions are paid to annually review a client's loan position and to discuss any question or concerns throughout the year. The major banks would like to believe we do nothing for this. This just goes to show how naive they really are.

    Quite frankly RC, the commission should remain on target ie Misconduct into banking. To my understanding their has been little to no misconduct in the mortgage broking industry so why you talking about commissions.

    RC get on with you Job and stop looking to destroy industries.
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    • Cooper, a brokers trail is not and never has been about ongoing support. It is half the income we earn for writing the loan in the first place (drip paid over on average 4-5 years).

      We are there to assist our customers on an ongoing basis (and trail payments means it is more likely we will still be in business years down the track).

      A smart broker will naturally stay in touch with customers (that just makes business sense to do that). But by brokers buying into this lie that trail relates to ongoing service, we are only endangering our trail.

      Spartacus
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  • Based on the line of questioning minds seem to be made up if you ask me.
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  • Macquarie continues to outperform the competition on all fronts - products, service, BDMs, etc.,
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  • Something like a $2000 upfront flat fee for service and an ASIC regulated standard 0.35% trail would get rid on any conflicts and be great for the long term. Wont happen though
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    • See, Mac... this opens up a can of worms - unlike financial planners, brokers are not providing advice and therefore, the "service" is restricted to sourcing a "not unsuitable" loan from say 20 lenders and then handling the process. Customers would be justified in thinking it is a clerical task and cost it accordingly. Self-servingly, a customer will argue that their loan is relatively straightforward and might baulk at paying $2,000.
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      • Hi Lionel, I think Mac means the lender will pay the flat fee. Would need to be fixed to CPI but I like Mac's suggestion.
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    • I agree with you, but the flat fee needs to be paid by the lender not the borrower. Good suggestion, it would get rid of any conflicts. Other advantages are, less exposure to claw back and a better payment for smaller loans.
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    • The only question remains, how would the lenders compensate our business's in the transition period. Maybe increase trail on all existing loans? Other than this, love your suggestion.
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  • What is so hard about "The current remuneration structure is producing great outcomes for consumers evidenced by the majority now choosing to transact through brokers. Therefore we see fee for service as a step backwards for consumers who will not be happy to pay for what has previously cost them nothing"? Fee for service - great for big banks with branches, terrible for the smaller lenders who rely on the broker channel. Not that hard, instead he stutters and dithers away, intimidated by the RC. Not a great showing Macquarie.
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  • Can someone explain to me why the RC is asking these clearly leading questions?

    When did the evidence of wholesale corruption by the broking industry come to light because I have certainly heard widespread evidence of Bank wrongdoing. The RC should focus on the banks rather than brokers commissions or an industry will be wiped out by one false move.

    The big 4 banks will be laughing all the way to their bottom line if a fee for service model is adopted.
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  • I can't believe the lack or terrible focus the RC has. It has been a circus, we are suppose to be looking at Banks bad behaviour or lack of conduct, however, we are talking about folk, who actually help the community and heaven help, that we get paid for our WORK! Absolute dipsticks, but sort of well done Macquarie. Best so far, Majors are running the show.
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  • I cannot believe that the banks are getting some degree of hearing on the banning of commissions. We all know it will play into their hands. They have been looking for an opportunity to get rid of commissions. Are we next going to ban real estate comms, general insurance comms etc etc. The client does not and will not pay an upfront fee. I know this from experience. And the trail we are paid on commercial loans (we only do commercial) is payment for annual review and compliance that we need to do for each and every customer. This is the most important discussion many in our industry will face.
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  • So the most respectable CEO out of the lot backs current Mortgage Broker remuneration. Also states it makes ALL mortgages cheaper. How is this not getting more air time?
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  • I sort of thought he had a bit each way.

    Not exactly full support for brokers. He came across to me as an indecisive ditherer, a little clueless, but scared of change.

    Just my reading.

    When are we going to hear the truth at this RC?

    Fee for service will destroy the broking industry. Don't do it RC.

    Banning trail would destroy broking RC. Don't do it.

    Leave broker remuneration alone RC. It works beautifully for everyone & customers are very happy & very well served.

    You are trying to solve a problem that doesn't exist.

    Get back to focusing on the banking bad behaviours RC

    Leave the consumer advocates alone RC. Brokers are the good guys.

    Spartacus
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    • Have you ever been grilled by a lawyer its not fun I think he did ok
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      • It wasn't a grilling, it was a series of under arm questions that if you asked me, I would have knocked out of the park - I guarantee you. These so called leaders seem to me like scared little kitty cats. Grow a set, & if you are asked a silly question, put them in their place.

        Question: “What is the concern that Macquarie has about how changing commissions might affect the ability of mortgage brokers to provide that service to the non-major lenders?”

        Answer: If you cut brokers income (and that is what every single one of the counter proposals will do) - you will destroy totally the mortgage broking industry as we know it. You do realise that brokers don't earn very much don't you?? & you do realise it is a brokers job to help customers don't you? & you do realise that a customer is not compelled to use a broker don't you??? You do realise unhappy customers simply move to the next broker or lender don't you??

        Question: “[W]hat do you think would be the consequence if Macquarie was prohibited from being able to pay mortgage brokers any commission or, in fact, make any payment to brokers — and the brokers were only able to obtain remuneration by charging a fee for service to the customer?”

        Answer: If brokers aren't paid for the work they do, brokers go out of business, dumb question. I hope my answer enlightens you. People deserve to be paid for the work they do, you're being paid aren't you? The majority of customers just simply will not cop a large multi thousand dollar fee for service. Fee for service will decimate mortgage brokers. Why would any intelligent person want to kill the mortgage broking industry? Mortgage brokers are consumer advocates, that consumers are voluntarily flocking to brokers, as they offer better service than bank direct channels, and mortgage brokers are universally regarded as the biggest driver of competition in the Australian lending market over the last 20 years. Why is the RC so obsessed with the very modest incomes that brokers work very hard to earn???

        These aren't grillings, they are silly questions, asked by an ignorant person, that needs to be educated without kid gloves.

        Spartacus
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    • Could you please use single spacing and delete the blank spaces? I would like to read many other comments on the same page. Thanks.
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